I think you guys are underestimating the importance of Q tips in society.
Did this woman read "The Secret" (of narrcisism), or the bible to come up with this stuff?
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wow, shaking my head
by Hortensia inmy neighbor told me she had been talking about me recently.
"i was saying to carrie in the office i just don't see how anyone can deny the existence of a higher power.
she needed some q-tips, and found a box of them on the free table by the office.
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My Parents have gone FULL CULT MODE! Having a job is SATANIC!
by BU2B into give a little background, my parents are in their late 50s.
around a year ago, my elder dad got laid off from his job.
he worked as a auto mechanic making ok money.
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I have an idea! I like golf. I have money to buy club things.
Tell him you have a buyer, we make the deal, then later you can tell him that an apostate bought his clubs.
So......did Jehovah provide or Satan?
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Jehovah's "perfect earthly organization"
by troucul inhello friends,.
it has been a while for me since i last posted.
i've been busy getting some degrees, now working on my doctorate.
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I don't believe that is the statement. Usually the phrase goes something like "Its a perfect organization, run by imperfect people".
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Weekend of November 15-16 "Outrageous sock day at your local KH!"
by Separation of Powers ini am encouraging everyone here to go out a buy some outrageous socks for next week's meetings.
make a statement!
thank you to poster oppostate for the idea!!!.
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Was anyone else surprised enough to know there are people with that much fashion sense at Bethel (since interesting socks are indeed in style).
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THANK YOU TONY!!!!!
by nowwhat? inin my previous post, i mentioned i am now out but wanted to go to the branch meeting anyway.
i am so thank ful i did!
if there was any lingering doubt that i was making the right decision, tony's rants gave me total clarity.
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Every JW I know I get in contact with i make funof them about this. I mean EVERYONE!
There is some MEME going around with Kermit looking surprised because the brother next to him is wearing "tight pants".
Then the comments afterwards were cult mind control at the highest level.
I had to chop off my fingers so that I wouldn't respond.
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The "zone" is all north America......but I guess canda was left out of this one....aye?
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My messagew to my mother post "branch talk".
by problemaddict 2 inmy wife went out of curiosity.
she is out enough to where it doesn't affect our marriage, but she keeps it a secret from her family and others.
she is beginning to understand what it means to give over your thinking to an organization, and once she works that out there will be no going back.. so she went to the branch visit.
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Oubillete.....are you sure? I listed to the talk, and in transcript form I could see that making sense, but in the "flow" of his comments it certainly sounded as though this mans two youngest are not witnesses. In fact......I am sure of it.
Thanks for the comments everyone. Here is some more of the text in order.
HER: Thank you for the part about saying you love me. A mother never hears too much of that. ____ I heard and saw the same delivery. I came away with an entirely different feeling. Entirely. Why do you suppose that is?
Yes I have visited Bethel. I went with you. Do you remember? We almost got in an accident with that bus, that lady cop was so mad at me for being in the wrong lane, but it was all my fault. Then we stayed at the sister board and care place near Walkill and you stayed up and heard stories from your brothers all over about live in different places while playing cards and laughing. Then we got to help with the harvest, and saw the pigs being born. I am so glad we got to go. You loved it, even though you were already a teenager. So yeah, I think there is a benefit to taking your family to Bethel.
And yes I see the homosexual influence in the fashion industry. You want your buys to dress like ALL boy, and not sissies right? What wrong with that?
Noone is heaping guilt on me son. I do regret that you and (*my sister), no longer serve Jehovah. You are my children. Everlasting life is involved. You and your families......you know how I feel. You know the scriptures so well. You could recite the entire books of the bible at 2 years old, and gave your first talk at 5! I still have never seen anything liek it. You were "trained from infancy". But you have developed a twisted way of looking at my heavenly father. The one that loved the world so much that he offered his most precious son to be torchured and put to death. U and I woul never do that for the human family. Which of our children would we give in exchange for any person? That is the depth of his love.
Me: Mom....once again you are calling my viewpoint twisted, and you don't even know what it is. You are conflating my issues with the governing body and erroneous teachings/doctrine.....with jehovah himself. (side point......I am leaning agnostic, but that would be another can of worms, so I'm keeping on even understanding in the text at this point)
You are doing it without even realizing you are doing it. Very dangerous.
And yes mom those are fantastic memories of a good time. I have no regrets in my childhood. But alot of that was because I was spending time with my mother, and out meeting other people. Not just where we were at. I am so glad i never turned in my application for ____ to look for (I had an in at bethel).
Mom I do not believe Jehovah is goin gto kill 99.9% of the people on earth, and I will not allow my boys to be taught such things, especially by the likes of Anthony morris while looking to him for guidance as you do thinking that God wants them to do so. You and I thought differently about the talk, because we have differing views. You know what? That is ok! Its ok to difer in opinion.
One thing you have to stop doing however, is suggesting to me that my children will die as a result of the stand that I have taken. When I had the issues with the blood doctrine and you wanted me to get help what did i do? I spoke to the local elders, HLC comitee, called the service desk, spoke to ______ (a CO friend of ours), and it all came down to the same thing. When the policy didn't hold weight scripturally, it came down to asking wether I believed the GB was in fact being used by Jehovah. If so, then just listen, obey, and be blessed. I knew then what I had to do.
TBC....
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My messagew to my mother post "branch talk".
by problemaddict 2 inmy wife went out of curiosity.
she is out enough to where it doesn't affect our marriage, but she keeps it a secret from her family and others.
she is beginning to understand what it means to give over your thinking to an organization, and once she works that out there will be no going back.. so she went to the branch visit.
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Well you you prognosticators.......yes she only seemed to read the last sentence.
A lengthly back and forth ensued. Heres the first part of it.
HER: You were not there to say such things. The only point of the talks were to be encouraging, and they were...very much so. Mothers gather guilt like lint....and old jewish saying that tends to be true. I don't want to hear criticism of my hope or my loving father. It is a priviledge to be even the smallest part of this loving international brotherhood, declaring Gods kingdom and jesus ransom sacrifice. My only regret is that I did not come to know jehovah sooner in my life. I pray to endure until the end and praise him with my last breath. My dear son, I feel you have been poisoned. I wish you would take off the negative grey glasses you look through. Gods Kingdom will rule over the earth. You know the scriptures. You know about the paradise. I will absolutely always love you.
ME: Mom. I love you too. Its because of that love i want you to think seriously about what you just did. You called my criticism of a man giving a talk, as being against jehovah. It wasn't. It was against Mr Morris. You conflate the two (men and God) so easily mom. I think that is not right to do, and yet you do it so easily, and probably without knowing it.
My comments stand. The subtext was clear. The man admitting it was his fault his 2 youngest were not JW's.....was told he was right to feel that way in this talk. "God understands? Thats not the Jehovah of the bible, not the Jehovah I know." Terrible......just terrible.
Ranting about tight workout clothes, visiting Disneyland instead of bethel, kids being out of the religion being the parents fault, bright socks, a homosexual agenda to get men to wear tight pants so they can walk around ogling them.......and this is the leadership? The dominant personality on the body? Good grief mom. All I wanted to do was tell you that you raised your children well, that you taught them proper values, and that you should not judge your efforts as a mother as succesful or not succesful based on this one small aspect of their life decisions. If that didn't cross your mind, them my statement probably isn't very meaningful, but when i heard it i felt compelled to reach out to my mother, and tell her never to allow herself to have guilt uneccesarily heaped on her. Thats it.
And mom.......I'm not negative. You already know this. and I forgive you for suggesting I'm poisoned. I realize the training is that you must square someone leaving with one of two things. They either have a flaw in their heart condition, or are weak. what a sad thing to think about your most well balanced, happy and succesful of your children. I don't hold it against you when you say those things. You latched onto the last sentence of a text...a sentence I probably wrote uneccesarily out of frustration, but you ignored my point. Why not re-read it?
More to follow.
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My messagew to my mother post "branch talk".
by problemaddict 2 inmy wife went out of curiosity.
she is out enough to where it doesn't affect our marriage, but she keeps it a secret from her family and others.
she is beginning to understand what it means to give over your thinking to an organization, and once she works that out there will be no going back.. so she went to the branch visit.
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My wife went out of curiosity. She is out enough to where it doesn't affect our marriage, but she keeps it a secret from her family and others. She is beginning to understand what it means to give over your thinking to an organization, and once she works that out there will be no going back.
So she went to the branch visit. She thought it was HILARIOUS. You guys already know the greatest hits from Anthony Morris judgemental rant on anything from spanx and bright socks at bethel, to the fact you need to take responsability for your children leaving.
She suggested that my mother (whith whome we have a good relationship....both of us still), is being made to feel guilty and bad in her old age. So I tried to call, but ended up having to text the following....
Hey Mom. ____ told me about the last talk from the branch meeting. She went out of curiosity. I want to make very sure you know that you have not done anything wrong to make me want to not go to meetings. You raised me with love, and in the best way you knew how. I was raised to extend myself to others, be kind, loving, etc... I have agreat family and love them very much. Anthony Morris suggesting parents need to take responsability for their kids not being in "the truth" was uncalled for besides not being supported in scripture, unless he believes Jehovah is at fault for the angelic rebellion. You did a great job with your children, and nothing would disappoint me more than for you to listen to the judgemental tone of this ranting moron and blame yourself in any way for my choices in faith, based on their doctrine and actions. "
Thoughts? I am not sure if i ended too strong.
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The biggest sell off of Kingdom Halls in Britain :Update
by raymond frantz inthe biggest sell off of kingdom halls in britain.
hi guys last night i posted this here but only a few notes as it was quite fresh and only announced lasdt night at the meeting.i have now updated article and included a couple of useful links about this matter .
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NDF,
No agenda her per se. I'm not quite certain of your point. I made the point on the other thread, that this is essencially a shrewd business move. The society has always hoarded cash in large amounts. They get nervous with large expendatures. Why is it being requested so much of the rank and file accounts be send to headquarters? Not sure. So it can be redirected? So that it can earn interest in a large interest bearing account instead of individual congregation accounts? Maybe. That would make more sense.
Also, with stagnant growth in western countries, it may just be a reallocation of assets.
Either way, consolidating 4 congregations down to one with 4 meetings, is news. I also bet that in the UK zoning can and will be changed in order to accomidate new buyers. Happens all the time. The value in the real estate is not in selling to another church most of the time. If that was however the case, the irony would be spectacular.